Meredith: Hello, everyone, and welcome to
Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, MeredithDykstra, and this is episode number 138. I’ve
got Dr. Pompa here. How are you, Dr. Pompa?Dr. Pompa: Very well – and just Dr. Pompa
today, right?Meredith: Not just, but it is just us, but
you’re definitely – I’m excited to featureyou and just to have a conversation today,
just us. This is going to be a fun topic today. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. We get a lot of questions.
I’ve been trying to do a few other YouTubevideos answering some of them. I did a three-,
four-minute video on Candida because I gotso many questions on it. I talked about how
Candida runs with heavy metals in that video. You’ll see that coming up. I did another
one on the gut that you’ll see in the future. You haven’t even seen that one, yet. I think
doing some of these shows on some of thesemore broad questions that I can answer in
three or four minutes is probably a good idea. That’s how I came to this show.
Meredith:Yes. This is a hot topic today. Agentleman wrote in on some of his hair loss
challenges. I’m going to read his letterthat he wrote to you and Merily, and then
we’re going to delve into this topic. Ithink it’s going to pique the interest of
a lot of the audience out there. A lot ofpeople have hair loss challenges, and there’s
a lot more to it than just the cosmetic issue. Before we dive in, I’m going to read his
letter. “Hi, Dr. Pompa and Merily. I’m really
glad to know that you’re Christians, andit’s so cool to see people who have faith
in God and are directing people to naturalcures. I’m wondering if you would do a show
on hair loss. It goes along with cellularhealth and the endocrine system subject. I
believe Dr. Pompa himself touched brieflyon his hair in one YouTube video in regards
to a time in his life concerning his health. ”“I’m a 35-year-old male who has graduated
grad school. The past eight years have beenhard in just about every way, but to add to
it, I drank alcohol a lot during this time. I’m experiencing thinning around the crown
of the head, and I’m trying to get thingsright with God and myself. I know that in
the medical field, hair is not something thathas a lot of people’s attention, as many
view it as cosmetic. All people seem to knowis that male pattern baldness is caused by
dihydrotestosterone or DHT. I just hope andpray God can heal my body. Thank you for any
insights. ”That was his letter. All right, Dr. Pompa.
Take it away. What do you think, and whatis DHT? I’m excited. I don’t know a lot
about hair loss, so this is – there’sa lot to learn here.
Dr. Pompa:We talked a little bit about, insome past shows, about how the body can form
toxic estrogen for multiple reasons, one ofwhich is toxicity, and how Merily had formed
these toxic estrogens. Really, we know theylead to cancer and other major hormone problems.
We don’t hear a lot about toxic testosterone,but DHT is a more potent form of testosterone
that can cause hair loss. There’s somethingcalled 5-alpha reductase that – many people
may have heard of these drugs because they’recalled 5-alpha reductase inhibitors that they
give for prostate cancer. They do that becauseDHT can also drive prostate inflammation,
potentially cancer. This enzyme, these 5-alpha reductase inhibitor,
the drug, what it does is it inhibits thisproduction of the DHT thereby possibly helping
the prostate problems, but there’re someother problems. What studies actually show
is that, yeah, it actually decreased the frequencyof prostate cancer. However, the cancers were
more severe, so I don’t know if that wasa good answer.
Anyways, there are some natural things thatwe can look at to diminish – to do what
the 5-alpha reductase inhibitor drugs actuallydo. We looked at some of those, and there’s
actually one in Designs for Health, theirprostate product called Prostate Supreme.
Really, you would say, “I have a hair problem. I don’t have a prostate issue,” but it
does the same thing. It affects the enzymeand affects the DHT. It helps the testosterone
not convert into the more toxic form, if youwill, that can drive hair loss.
I think there’s a test that we can run. We have run this test for women, and we like
to run this test for men. It’s a 24-hoururine collection, complete hormone. It’s
the most accurate way to assess some of thesemore toxic hormones and even the toxic metabolites
from these hormones. For example, 4-Hydroxyestroneis a very toxic metabolite, and 4-Hydroxyestrone
can cause these free radicals that lead tobreast cancer. My wife had very high levels
of that and even another one called 16-Hydroxy. Point being that her toxicity drove malfunction,
if you will – lowered her methylation andsome other problems, and her body wasn’t
getting rid of these toxic forms, and therefore,they were building up, and leading to hormone
problems. We discovered that by that test,this 24-hour urine. You can actually get the
test off our website under Discount Labs,under Services. Look. You get the test, but
you need a coach to read it. That’s whywe train doctors in these tests like this.
It is another way to look at even, like Isaid, DHT, 5-alpha reductase, some of these
other anabolic pathways. Go ahead. Meredith: Are you commonly seeing methylation
as being an issue connected to hair loss?Dr. Pompa:Yeah. Methylation can allow some
of these more toxic hormones to build up. Methylation really is involved in detox. Methylation
involves in protecting the DNA. Meredith:Sorry. It’s cut out a little bit.
I did not hear the last little bit of whatyou said.
Dr. Pompa: Methylation gets rid of toxins,toxic hormones, but it also protects the DNA.
I want to give some other reasons why hairloss can be an issue that I jotted down, that
I’ve ran into over the years, honestly,one of which is a gene. We can turn on certain
genes, and the drop in methylation can allowcertain susceptibilities, even male pattern
baldness, etcetera, to be turned on, whichleads me, actually, to something that just
happened recently to one of my patients. Stressful events can drive certain types of
hair loss for multiple reasons, by the way. It can trigger certain genes, stressful events.
It can trigger autoimmune, which can driveyour body to attack the hair follicle and
cause hair loss. It can drive other typesof autoimmune, hypothyroid, which we’ll
get to. Stressful events are known to – allof a sudden, people have hair falling out
in clumps, I mean literally. What are stressful events? It could be toxic
in nature, so the body releases a lot of toxins,or you get a lot of toxic exposure, or you’re
not getting rid of toxins. We see that sometimeshappen to people who – we need to slow the
detox down. We also get it in people who needto detox. We also see it in pregnancy, after
pregnancy. It’s a stressful event. They’dcategorize that as the stressful event that
can trigger hair loss. There’s a conditionknown as telagon – it’s T-E-L-A-G-O-N.
I actually wrote it down because my dyslexia,I knew I wouldn’t pronounce it correctly.
Telagon effluvinna or something to – E-F-F-L-U-V-I-N– and I can’t even read my own writing.
It’s a condition that stressful events cancause, and the hair falls out, but that’s
more rare. Most of the time, it just triggers the other
types of autoimmune. Even after surgery, itcan trigger those types of events. Stressful
events is one thing that I just saw recentlywith somebody. I guess the question would
that, “What do you do?” If it’s an emotionalor a physical stressful event, just some good,
solid nutrition plays a big role. Adrenalsupplements like GA, Seriphos, Calm; those
are three that we have that actually can makea big difference in helping the body adapt
to stress, and therefore, the body will comearound on its own.
Then also, just like I said, some good nutrition. There’s the Spectra, which is a natural
multivitamin. We did the ENERGYbits. Thathelped one of my patients with their hair.
It’s an algae, spirulina, that’s loadedwith nutrition. Because of it, it made a massive
difference in this woman’s hair, and itstarted growing back. That’s a big deal.
Again, that has a lot of things in it. Weknow biotin deficiencies can also cause the
loss of hair, other B vitamins, too. B vitaminsplay an important role. You had a question.
Meredith:Yeah. I’d like to go back to thenature versus nurture conversation on this
because as we know, the genes that we have,especially with male pattern baldness, don’t
necessarily have to be triggered. I’d likeyou to talk a little bit more about your specialty,
too, toxicity and how that can trigger, maybe,the male pattern baldness gene, and then what
to do about that with detox. Dr. Pompa:The gentleman in the letter actually
raised – said I had said my story, whichis true. When I was sick and I still didn’t
really know what was wrong, there was justhair through my drain all the time, and I
realized I was losing my hair. I wasn’teven healing the same. I recall that, as well.
My hair definitely changed rapidly. Mercuryis known actually to – obviously, it could
trigger genes. So can any heavy metal or toxin,neurotoxin, and turn on certain genes.
I think, in my case, it was more of the factthat my body just became so depleted at the
cellular level that – I’m sure it wasmy deficiencies that were causing my hair
to fall out. My hair did become thin and brittle. My thyroid was affected, which is another
cause for thinning hair, especially, but italso – you lose the hair. My thyroid and
adrenals were just not functioning normalat all. Something I always say is I addressed
my thyroid and my adrenals for a long time,and it really never worked. My body temperature
was low. My skin was not the same. My hairwas obviously thinner, drier, and more brittle.
It was when I got my heavy metals down toa certain point that my thyroid started to
come back. Mercury binds to the same receptorsas thyroid hormone. It’s a selenium-type
of receptor so it attracts these types ofheavy metals. The thyroid is known as the
canary in the coalmine, meaning it’s verysensitive to heavy metals. It’s very sensitive
to that halogen type of chemicals like fluoride,chlorine, and those types of things. Iodine
binds to those same exact receptors, so weneed iodine to make thyroid hormone, so those
chemicals interfere with that process. Many people are drinking fluorinated water,
chlorinated water. Bromine’s another one. The point is that that exposure to those chemicals
really affect thyroid just like heavy metals,which one of the first signs you can start
to see your hair thinning, and start to loseit when it gets more severe.
Meredith:Wow. So many causes it seems likefor hair loss that – these triggers in our
environment, the stresses, the chemical, thephysical, and the emotional that’ll trigger
that gene; then it gets turned on. Dr. Pompa:I think that it can – male pattern
baldness, obviously there’s a heredity there. We know that there’s genes involved. Genes
get turned on, so stressful events will turnit on. Again, we know that if we change the
stressful events, the body can turn it around. However, certain genes, once they get turned
on, it’s very difficult to turn them off. Meredith:Mm-hmm. Do you think it’s always
possible to avoid turning it on if you maintaina healthy lifestyle even if you’re genetically
susceptible to it?Dr. Pompa:Remember, genes get turned on even
in the generation before or the generationbefore. Remember, epigenetics affects four
generations.  You could live this perfectlife. The Duke University study, I think,
was really evident of that. They exposed twoidentical twin groups of mice, identical twins,
same DNA. They fed them the same, exercisedthem the same, did everything the same. They
exposed one group, however, to a chemical,BPA, which we get in make-up. We get plastic,
we’re exposed to BPA. Even teeth sealantsand fillings – BPA is everywhere.
They exposed the mice to an equivalent level,they felt in the study, what humans get exposed
to today, especially the younger generations. It triggered a gene called the agouti gene.
Guess what happened? The mice hair becamedry, turned yellow, became very, very unhealthy.
I’m sure that nobody would have liked hairlike this. They became obese, and they became
more susceptible to heart disease and otherdiseases. Triggering that gene was one thing
to see in that generation, but what happenedis the next generation they didn’t expose
to the chemical. They were born with the genetriggered. They had the yellow coat, the yellow,
dry coat. They became obese as little, teenagemice. They were fed the exact same diet, and
yet they still had that gene turned on. Now, the good news is when we can take the
stressors away, we can give methylation groups,and do all these things, and fixing the cell
membranes, the body can turn off the gene. In that study, they did turn it off so the
next generation then was born good. Meredith:It was one more generation, you said?
How long did it take to turn it –Dr. Pompa:No, no. In those mice, they actually
turned it off, and they did become healthy. Then the next generation was born with it
turned off. Meredith:Wow. Now, do you think that that
would be transferable to the human model asfar as the next generation? If one generation
had it terribly, passed it on to the nextgeneration, that current generation was able
to control it and turn it off. Do you thinkthat it would pass onto the next generation?
How do you think that works with humans?Dr. Pompa:Absolutely. One of the things that
– people always say, “Okay. I’m detoxing. ”It’s like, “Okay. Great. You’re detoxing. ”
However, as we know, there’s much more toit than that. We forget about the cellular
healing component. My 5 Rs is really a roadmapthat years ago I started teaching doctors
on how to fix a cell. If you actually lookat the 5 Rs, it’s really mostly about turning
off those – that epigenetics in the cell. R number 1is removing the stressors, removing
the sources. That plays into epigenetics. R number 2 is regenerating the cell membrane.
If you remember our interview with Dr. BruceLipton, who wrote the book, Biology of Belief,
he showed just our thoughts will change thatepigenetic. Thoughts alone can change genetics
and the epigenome. So do toxins. His pointwas, though, in his book – if you’ve read,
some of you. It’s a great book. You shouldread it, Biology of Belief – that fixing
the cell membrane is really the key to fixingand changing the genome.
In the cell membrane lies the intelligence. In the cell membrane are the receptors, IMDs,
integral membrane proteins – IMPs, integralmembrane proteins. I think we’re talking
nuclear weapons when I said IMDs – IMPs,integral membrane proteins. These are basically
a. k. a hormone receptors. They’re receptorsthat communicate with the outside of the cell,
bring information inside the cell. He reallysays that’s where the intelligence really
lies. When the membrane is inflamed, which so many
Americans is, then that information in epigenetics– bad genes get turned on. We know that
if we can fix the membrane, fix the receptors,we can change the epigenetics. A lot of his
research and now, many others, have shownthis. R number 2 is regenerating the cell
membrane, very, very important for epigenetics. R number 3 is restoring cellular energy. Again,
cellular energy runs parallel to many thingslike restoring glutathione, inflammation,
which plays a role in epigenetics. R number4 is reducing inflammation. Again, inflammation
is what’s driving a lot of the disruptionfor the epigenetics. R 5 is reestablishing
methylation, which I just told you the methylation,these methyl groups, which so many people
are depleted in today because of emotionalstress, physical stress, and chemical stress
– depletes these methyl groups. Now, itleaves your DNA more vulnerable.
In the Duke study, they gave these mice anabundance of methyl groups, and they turned
off the gene. When you put the 5 Rs together,you can change the epigenetics, and then we
can turn off autoimmune if that’s what’scausing the hair loss. We can turn off a gene
that was turned on if that’s what’s causingthe hair loss. You see, we can change the
thyroid condition because remember, thyroidconditions get turned on just like diabetes,
just like other things. Yes, we need to removethe stressors. That’s part of the detox.
We also have to turn off that gene. If you remember the article that I wrote,
The Autoimmune Answer, I said a gene getsturned on in autoimmune. However, there is
a stressor – so three legs. Think of theanalogy of a three-legged stool. All three
legs have to be there for it to stand up. All three legs have to be there for it to
cause an autoimmune. All three legs have tobe there to have a solution for it. A gene
gets turned on in autoimmune. In this case,it could be one that’s related to hair loss.
The stressors that turn it on have to be removedso we can turn the gene off.
Then the gut plays a significant role, weknow, in certain bacteria being needed to
even make cells to turn off the immune system. Anyways, three-legged stool applies here,
as well. You had a question. Meredith:Yeah. I think that three-legged stool
illustration for autoimmune, as you’ve saidin the past, too, applies to so many different
diseases because those three components playinto how a disease arises. Then you have a
stool, as you’ve kind of created for howto fix it, as well. Do you want to kind of
go over that a little bit?Dr. Pompa:Yup. Yeah. Look, the 5 Rs plays
into how we turn off the genes. Think aboutthe 5 Rs playing into that leg of the stool.
True cellular detox is how we get the toxinsout. Look. We say this again and again. It’s
worth saying. You won’t get well until youfix the cell, but you won’t get well until
you actually detox the cell. All these downstreamdetox things, whether it’s this cleanse,
that cleanse, juice cleanse, liver cleanse,you name it, colon cleanse, they really don’t
get to the cell. We have to get the cell doing what it does.
That’s the toxins that are affecting thatgenome. We have to remove the stressors. If
you don’t remove the stressors that turnedon the gene, you’re never going to turn
the gene off, so very, very important. R number1 is removing the sources. Whether it’s
physical, emotional, or chemical, we liketo talk about all of them on this show.
Then the last one is the gut. That’s moreof where our ancient healing strategies apply.
That’s where a lot of the fasting, intermittentfasting, moving people in and out of ketosis,
diet variation, changing their diet, that’swhere a lot of those strategies play into.
Fixing the gut isn’t as simple as just givingprobiotics, as people want it to be, but oftentimes,
that actually causes dysbiosis. Again, fixingthe gut – all of these things play into
one another. How do you fix the gut withoutgoing upstream to the toxins, getting rid
of the toxins that are destroying the gut?People have root canals, these things, and
silver amalgam fillings, putting toxins downinto the gut day in, day out. You’re creating
dysbiosis. Your stress, your thoughts, accordingto Bruce Lipton – so all of these things
play in. It really is a real answer, but again,there’s complexities here. It’s a little
different for everybody. However, it is thereal answer, but nobody wants to hear it.
Everyone wants that one thing. It’s neverthe one thing.
Meredith:Yeah. I love your multi-therapeuticapproach, Dr. Pompa, because it’s not a
simple answer, but it’s a real answer. It’sfunny. Your store here where I work, two people
call in, and they ask for – “I have hairloss. What’s a good supplement for this?”
A woman texted me today, like, “Oh, my stomachis feeling off. I need a supplement to ease
my stomach. ” It’s never that simple, unfortunately. So many people either want a pill or they
want a supplement, but the multi-therapeuticapproach is truly the answer, and it’s multifaceted.
It’s time, and resources, and strategy,but if people want real results, then they’re
going to have to commit. Dr. Pompa:Yup. Yeah, it’s true. I think
people come out of that mindset because ofthe way medicine has been over the years.
It’s, “Take a drug for a symptom. Takethis for that. Take this for a headache. Take
this for a stomachache. Take this. ” We aredriven with that philosophy from the time
we’re children. As adults, when the bottomstarts falling out, we want to reach for that
one thing. When you look at how illness really is created
or – not just illness but not feeling well– where it starts, it’s very complicated.
It starts with a lot of different stressorsthat we call perfect storm, turn on a lot
of bad genes, create a lot of cellular inflammation,dysfunction, and it’s been going on for
years. Disease starts years before the symptomstarts.
Now, people don’t believe that. They don’twant to hear that, but that’s the truth.
Before you ever express a symptom of hairloss, the problem started years before. Thyroid
conditions start years before the blood workcomes out. Even before your symptoms start,
the dysfunction starts. Health is the sameway. It’s years, not months. It’s not
one thing. It’s reversing, if you will,everything that you’ve done wrong, and that
is a multi-therapeutic approach. It reallyis. You have to be taught, right?
I love to say this. I can say this. The reasonwhy we – I can say “we” as a group of
doctors around the country who have been trained– and I’ve been training in a multi-therapeutic
approach, cellular healing, cellular detox,the ancient strategies, everything that we
talk and love. Look. It is a coaching situationthat – why we see the results we’re seeing.
People want to be treated, but I’m tellingyou once you hit a certain thing of chronic
disease, you don’t want to be treated. Youwant to be taught a process. You want to be
taught cellular healing. You want to be taughthow to turn off epigenetics. You want to be
taught how to detox a cell. That’s the key. Although I am a physician, you don’t need
one. You need a coach. I repeat that many,many times to people in a day because you
do. Doctors today are not teaching. Doctormeans teacher in Latin, but we’re treating.
We’re giving people things. If it took yearsfor you to become sick or years to become
not well, you need to learn the process toget your life back. That’s what doctors
today need to do. That’s the difference. You hear me tell our doctors that all the
time. “You coach. You teach people theseprocesses. ” Nobody’s doing that today.
If someone wants to learn, they will get well,and I believe that.
Meredith:Yeah. It’s a powerful message. It can be a tough pill to swallow, so to speak,
for some people who want a simple answer,but it’s also – it’s helpful, too, because
real results are able to be achieved, andpeople’s lives transform. That’s really
the magic of implementing all of these differentstrategies while working with a trained coach
because you can really get your life backand get better health than you ever dreamed
of. Dr. Pompa:Yup. Absolutely. I saw this shadow
move out here – my windows here. The otherday, a mother and its two baby moose walked
by here. I don’t even know if you can seethis, but there’s not much room between
that wall – do you see that wall? – andthe window.
Meredith:Mm-hmm. Dr. Pompa:There’s a path that goes through
there, right through there. Can you believethat? You don’t want to mess with a moose
and her babies. I can tell you that. My dogsare going berserk. I wish it would have been
during one of these shows so we could haveshowed that.
Meredith:That would have been fun. A littlemoose, hey, that’s the fun of living in
Utah. You’re in a good spot out there. Dr. Pompa:So true. Let me give a couple other
reasons for hair loss that, maybe, peopledidn’t think about. Iron deficiency can
cause it, so anemia, iron deficiency anemia,can be a cause. Again, the one that took the
ENERGYbits, that really clean spirulina, thatcould have been the B vitamins. It could have
been some iron. It could have been many differentthings. That’s another one that people don’t
think about. Looking at your serum ferritinlevels – ferritin being too high can create
oxidation. Being too low can lead to otherproblems, hair loss being one of them. That’s
another. I don’t even know, did we finish the thyroid
conversation in the sense that it really doeslead to multiple different problems? Here’s
the thing that most people have to understand:So many thyroid conditions are autoimmune.
Doctors don’t typically even run antibodiesbecause the treatment is the same whether
you’re autoimmune or not. My gosh, it shouldn’tbe. However, the antibodies, even if they’re
negative, you can be in an autoimmune state,and again, it could take years before the
antibodies start to actually rise. Autoimmune,again, read the answer, Autoimmune Answer,
the article, Autoimmune Answer because mostoften, that’s the key.
I’m always asked, “Can these thyroid conditionsbe reversed?” Absolutely. Get rid of the
cause; the body reverses them. The doctordoesn’t. The body does. When you get rid
of the causes through a multi-therapeuticapproach, the body can do amazing things.
Turn that gene off, and the body can fix it. There’s no doubt about that. PCOS –
 Meredith:Oh. This kind of tied in a little
bit, too, with the thyroid. I just wanted– if you could talk a little bit about gender
differences with hair loss, as well. I knowit seems to be a little more common for women
to be hypothyroid and experience hair lossas a symptom of that. If you could kind of
speak to that and if treatment is differentat all for men and women with the hair loss
issue. Dr. Pompa:The male pattern baldness, obviously,
that’s more of a male thing. The DHT wewould think of as just a male thing, the more
toxic, potent testosterone, but that can happenin women, as well. Matter of fact, a condition
in women that we see hair loss is PCOS, polycysticovarian syndrome. By the way, what is that?
Women run too high of testosterone levels. That’s one of the tests. We look at testosterone.
Again, that 24-hour urine test is a good testto look at – as well as too high DHEA. DHEA
converts into testosterone – and as wellas DHT. I have seen all of those with polycystic
ovarian syndrome. Again, for males or females,it would be the same. We have to fix the hormone
cascade, and typically, that’s toxins innature. Obviously, methylation plays a role
there, as well. That’s – go ahead. Meredith:Is that 24-hour urine test the best
test for methylation, as well?Dr. Pompa:Yeah. I think it is. There’s something
that is known as the methylation priorityprinciple that Dr. Vinitsky – actually coined
the term, and I think it’s very appropriate. We see it in practice all the time. Methylation
is so important and has so many functions,protecting our DNA. Matter of fact, you need
methylation groups to turn on DNA and turnit off. It acts like a switch.
To adapt to stress, you need it to turn oncortisol to adapt to stress, turn on adrenalin
to adapt to stress. It turns on our stressresponse, but methylation also turns it off.
A lot of people have chronic anxiety. A lotof people who are left in panic attacks, they’re
so methyl depleted from other stressors thatthey can’t turn off the stress response.
That’s a sign that they’re severely methyldepleted. Think about this. The methylation
priority principle means that the number onepriority for a human is to adapt to stress.
Therefore, it will steal methyl groups fromany other jobs that it would do to adapt to
stress. Therefore, if you’re chemically, physically,
or emotionally stressed, it’s stealing methylgroups from your DNA. It’s stealing methyl
groups from getting rid of toxic hormones. Because people are emotionally stressed, physically
stressed, chemically stressed, they becomevery methyl depleted, and therefore now, we’re
leaving our DNA vulnerable. We’re leavingour hormones to be more vulnerable, building
up these toxic hormones. Yeah. We see thatoften.
In that test, we can look at methylation andhow it’s affecting hormones. Because it’s
downstream, then we’re able to see that,“Wow! The methylation’s depleted here
because it’s being used up there. ” It’sa neat way to assess methylation. Of course,
we always get asked about the MTHFR gene,which is a SNP in a gene that can possibly
lead you more predisposed to having methylationproblems because you don’t process regular
folate, and therefore, it can – folate ispart of this methylation circle, if you will.
It can leave you more methyl depleted. We can look at certain genetics. I think we
thought it was very simple in the beginning. It’s a little more complicated. They body
has ways to compensate, but we can still lookat these genes, and say, “Some people definitely,
genetically, have susceptibilities to that. ”Therefore, they end up with more methyl depletion,
and they can end up with other conditions,diseases because of that methyl depletion.
Meredith:Yeah. A lot of your clients needmethylation support. It does seem pretty common
just from what I’ve seen a lot, too, thatso many of us today are methyl depleted. Supporting
methylation is a good idea for a lot of people. Dr. Pompa:Yeah, it is. MORS is a great product
that’s sold on the Revelation Health websitebecause it uses active forms. Some of these
methyl depleted people, some of these geneticsSNP type of people, they’re not able to
take regular folate, so they need the activefrom called methyltetrahydrofolate. We want
to use these more active forms. There’s even different forms of B12. There’s
a hydroxocobalamin; there’s a methylcobalamin;there’s a cyanocobalamin. Some people have
different places where they’re filed up,so to speak. Even toxins can interfere. Giving
them one type of B12 will help one person;this type may help another. I like to use
different forms and even rotate differentforms because of that. I don’t like just
to rely just on one form oftentimes; I liketo rely on different forms just because people
can have different problems in different areasof those conversions. Give people those certain
forms that they need, they really light up. It really makes a difference for them.
Meredith:Yeah. Now, I know you’re not ahuge fan of using exogenous or supplemental
hormones, but do you think as a crutch ina situation like for hair loss or hormone
imbalance that possibly some testosteronewould be helpful in the short term?
Dr. Pompa:Yeah. If you look at one of those24-hour hormone tests and you have a practitioner
who’s really good at looking at that, that’sthe way to go. At least then you can see the
whole hormone cascade, the whole hormone pathway,and you can make much safer assessments. Some
people need crutches whether it’s thyroidhormone, estrogen, progesterone, whatever
it is, and that’s the way to do it, thesafe way to do it.
Here’s why: Oftentimes, we see people – whenwe look at that test, we see people taking
hormones, saying, “I feel better. ” Theydo whether it’s this type of – one estrogen
or progesterone. Who knows what it is? “I’mfeeling better. ” However, when we’re looking
at their test and all of it, or a portionof it, I should say, is spilling off into
these toxic estrogen metabolites, that reallycan cause problems and lead to cancer. You
could feel better developing cancer. It happensall the time. It does.
Whether it’s bioidentical or not, if yourbody can’t get rid of these toxic estrogen
metabolites, that’s a problem. The safeway to use those crutches is to look at a
test. Then you can see if you’re makingthese more toxic forms of hormones or their
metabolites. Meredith:Yeah. Very, very important point.  Getting
tested in that area is very key and workingwith a trained practitioner who knows how
to look at that, and read it, and use thosehormones very strategically.
Dr. Pompa:Yeah. Estrogen, progesterone, andthose levels, that plays into so many different
other hormone pathways, and it plays intohair loss, as well. We talked about PCOS as
being somewhere where we see hair loss. Again,estrogen and progesterone can play into even
forming more testosterone and toxic testosterone,so it really – one hormone affects the other.
The test is a good idea, no doubt about it. Meredith:Yeah.
Dr. Pompa:I’m sure some of our viewers haveheard of alopecia, which again, autoimmune
in nature. The body can literally start toattack the hair follicle. Again, read The
Autoimmune Answer. There’s not a simpleanswer here. Any type of autoimmune, a good
test is to have your practitioner, doctor,run an ANA test. ANA tests are very common
for just general autoimmune. Lupus is another autoimmune where we see a
lot of hair loss. I mentioned alopecia. Imentioned lupus. I mentioned thyroid, autoimmune.
Look at those areas, as well. Again, we lookto the answer for that three-legged stool,
the answer of autoimmune. Meredith:What does ANA stand for?
Dr. Pompa:Oh, gosh – antinucleus antibodies,something like that. Yeah, something like
that. Meredith:I wasn’t as familiar with that
test, but ANA test for autoimmune. Okay. Iknow you’ve said before that autoimmune
testing is in the Stone Age in a lot of ways,too. They still haven’t developed a lot
of really accurate tests because there’sso many different autoimmune problems and
conditions. Dr. Pompa:That’s exactly right. There’s
a lot. We really haven’t caught up. So manypeople have autoimmune and just don’t know
it. It’s because the testing is in the StoneAge. An ANA test is a general test that you
can just start with, but again, it’s – itreally is. It takes years being autoimmune
before these tests actually show a positive. That’s the problem.
Meredith:I think you’ve said, too – you’vesaid that so many people with major chronic
conditions and unexplainable symptoms, it’svery, very likely that there is an autoimmune
challenge going on. It’s safe to assumethat it’s probably autoimmune.
Dr. Pompa:Mm-hmm – especially when you havelarge amounts of hair – losing hair very
rapidly. Most likely, I would say, that’strue. Mild hair loss could be just nutritional
deficiencies being driven by toxicity likemy case, or it could be nutritional deficiencies
just from other types of stressors. Who knows?Autoimmune, I would say, and then hormonal.
So many things, of course, affect the hormones. Multiple stressors affects the hormones.
Those are the majors. Here’s one that alot of people don’t realize. Again, I think
of these things because I’ve actually hadthese cases. Just using too much crappy hair
product – I use the word crappy. I shoulduse the word toxic.
Meredith:Toxic. Dr. Pompa:Toxic hair product. They literally
are constantly using these crappy productswhether it’s hair dyes, their product that
they’re using daily, day in, day out. Thesetoxins break down hair, and they get into
the follicle, and it can break down that. It can drive hair loss. Of course, it can
drive different types of dermatitis of theskin, which that can lead to hair loss, dermatitises,
different things like that. Change your hairproduct.
Meredith:Yeah. In all of those external toxicproducts, not only are they affecting us at
the external level, but they’re gettingabsorbed, too. Then they’re creating the
internal cellular toxicity, so it’s kindof a double whammy there.
Dr. Pompa:Yeah, no doubt. No doubt about it. You know, there’s a few places we can look
at somebody for whether they’re healthyor not, and the hair is one of them. I believe
the eyes are the other. We can look at people’seyes; we can look at people’s hair and just
know. It’s the thing that you don’t knowyou’re looking at that go, “Ooh, that
person’s sick. ” I would say a third isthe skin. You look at someone’s skin, hair,
eyes, and that’s just kind of what our braindoes and assesses people.
I think that’s one of the reasons why peoplereally pay attention to their hair. It’s
a big deal. Listen. I’ve had many, manyreally sick people, very sick, and their number
one concern is their hair. I would lean towardsthe women on that, no doubt about it, but
there’s exceptions. I’m not saying that’swrong.
Meredith:No. Dr. Pompa:It’s self-esteem. It’s how we
feel about ourselves. It’s a horrible thing. Hair is a big deal. It’s not just vanity
is my point, I guess. It’s really not. Itis an assessment of how we are and how people
perceive us. The hair is a really importantthing. I never ever get on my patient for
saying – “Oh, my gosh. If you’re worriedabout your hair? Look at this. ” No. I would
never say that because how we present ourselvesis – that means a lot to everybody.
Meredith:Yeah. They’re all expressions ofour inner cellular health. As you said, too,
it’s very primal how we assess others, too,with these external traits to know how they’re
healthy on the inside, too. Our ancestorsdidn’t have all of these tests, and to look
at blood work, and to look at hormones, andto know whether things were in the right balance,
but they looked at each other, and energeticallycould assess how healthy someone was. I think
that God put those instincts in us for a reasonjust as far as creation goes.
Dr. Pompa:I forgot one. I forgot Weston Price’sfavorite, the teeth. Look at somebody’s
teeth, and you can see health. When you seesomebody’s teeth that are rotting and – again,
that’s why people really care about theirteeth because it really is another one of
those signs that you’re healthy or not. What did we say? We said hair; we said eyes;
we said teeth; and we said skin. Meredith:Skin.
Dr. Pompa:All right here. Yeah. It is. Thoseare all reflections of inner health. It really
is. When I was sick, my gosh. Obviously, mysickness started in my teeth, but they were
rapidly getting worse. I lost the gums. Mygum recession, Dr. fixed all that.
I had all these things up there. It was horriblethe amount of recession that I had, and it
was just getting more and more rampant. Itwas just getting worse and worse.
Obviously, my eyes were constantly red. Myskin had this gray look. I looked back in
pictures, and it was just remarkable to me. It was like I could just see – and of course
I already talked about my hair. All of thoseareas were affected on me. Again, I didn’t
know it because it kind of creeps up on you. It’s when I could look back in pictures
and go, “Oh, my gosh! I looked worse eventhough I was much younger than I am now, but
I definitely looked worse. ”Meredith:Mm-hmm. Yeah. It’s okay to focus
on those cosmetic things sometimes, as wesaid, because there is a deeper meaning behind
all of it. That’s why this was such a greatquestion to write in. You said, “Well, let’s
do this show on it. ” We get a lot of greatquestions, but I think this is such a topic
in particular that affects a lot of people,and needs a multi-therapeutic approach, and
it is more than just cosmetic. There’s amuch deeper underlying issue here. Great topic
and great question. I know we talked a lot about the causes, so
just to review a little bit, some of the supportsyou wanted to bring in to kind of help treat
hair loss is obviously the multi-therapeuticapproach, looking at methylation, and possibly
using the Genova 24-hour hormone test to lookat that; focusing on proper nutrition, so
the cellular healing diet, the cyclical ketogenicdiet, bringing in a lot of those different
nutritional tools and therapies that you suggest. Adrenal support, possibly then just brining
in targeted supplementation, as well, likethe algae, the B vitamins, methylation donor
products like MORS. Anything else you wantto add?
Dr. Pompa:Yeah. Those were all just kind ofbrought up along the way. You did a good job
recording them there. Yeah. All of those thingsare really, really good. The Spectra is a
great just general nutrient. Again, the ENERGYbites,just general, great, general nutrients. I
think your B vitamins – you had mentionedthem, right? – are very, very important.
Adding some extra biotin has worked for people,but again, just a general B complex can be
helpful for certain people. If you don’t have the deficiency, it won’t
help you. It won’t hurt you. It’s a water-solublevitamin, but it plays a role. Getting in the
sun, I think, would be one thing more I wouldadd to that. It has an effect on so many different
pathways. Here’s one more. You kind of saidit, but I’ll repeat it in a different way.
Many people today still are not getting enoughquality fats in their diet. Cholesterol is
not something to be feared. Cholesterol isat the top of the hormone chain. Cholesterol
plays into hair. It plays into the skin, thecollagen, the cell membrane. Getting these
types of things in is really important. I’m doing a lot of study right now on fish
oil and how many people, again, just are takingjust fish oil, and they’re taking it forever,
on, and on, and on. They’re staying awayfrom things like butter that have arachidonic
acid that we used to think just drove inflammation. Now we know that it balances it. If you’re
taking fish oil, that can lead to thin skin,thin hair. You may want to add butter. Again,
I would say take your fish oil more randomly. Be careful. Eat more fish, some clean fish
like sardines. We know that they have an incredible– but in the fish, you’re getting all
of these other antioxidants. You’re gettingall these other fats that help balance that
out. Again, just a caution there. In the list of
things – let me just see one thing. We havea minute here, but let me see if I can find
this. On my desktop right now, I have – oh,gosh. You should see all these studies. Now,
if I pull this one out, it will be a bloodymiracle. Let’s see here.
Meredith:You do your research, Dr. Pompa. That’s for sure.
Dr. Pompa:I love it. That’s not it. I’llhave every one of these pulled up here.
Meredith:Forty different tabs open. Dr. Pompa:Yeah, exactly. Remarkable how many
I have. You know what’s happening rightnow is I’m going through this thing of like,
“Oh, my god! I have all this work to do!”Meredith:As you look, too, I just wanted to
mention, too, I love your suggestion, Dr. Pompa, as far as the vitamin D, going out,
getting the sunlight, and the fish oils, aswell. If you do need to supplement vitamin
D or supplement fish oil instead of eatingfish, to give it sporadically. Instead of
going out and getting regular sunshine, takinga high dose of vitamin D sporadically, like
taking the vitamin D3 supplement that youlike, taking a large dose like five or ten
at a time, like you would have gone out andjust gotten a big dose of natural sunlight.
I think that’s such a great idea – ortaking fish oil at a higher dose randomly
as if you would have eaten fish versus justtaking it daily at the same amount. I think
that that’s such a brilliant approach. Dr. Pompa:Yeah, exactly. Oh, I might have
found it. It prevents that overdose. Let’ssee if we can –
Meredith:Yup. You got it?Dr. Pompa:Here you go. These are signs of
a DHA deficiency. That means fish oil deficiency– numbness and tingling, weak, pain, poor
cognitive function, blurred vision, poor immunity,poor growth, inflammation. Here’s the symptoms
of an arachidonic acid deficiency. That meansbutter, organ meats –
Meredith:I just ate grass-fed heart todayfor lunch. It was really good.
Dr. Pompa:Oh, man, loaded with this good stuff,right? Listen, here’s the deficient – first
thing, hair loss. You may need more butter. Dandruff, dry, scaly, itchy skin – you see
it’s hair and skin. Reproductive difficulties,gastrointestinal disturbance, food intolerances
– wow. Kidney disease, inability to maintainweight – so people need to gain weight.
Poor immunity, as well, and poor growth, inflammation– so interesting, right? Those are the people
that start to take in too much fish oil actuallystart to get skin and hair problems.
Meredith:Yeah. Wow. Dr. Pompa:You need some butter. You need some
organ meat. You need some egg yolks. Yeah. Meredith:For those who are dairy-sensitive
– what if you can’t have butter? Whatwould be another good source of arachidonic
acid?Dr. Pompa:Yeah. Like I said, the organ meats
are good. Meredith:Organ meats and egg yolk, those are
good. Okay. Dr. Pompa:Yeah. Organ meats and egg yolks
are great sources, and of course, you’regetting some just in general meat, just some,
obviously –Meredith:Red meat.
Dr. Pompa:Exactly. Yeah. Meredith:Grass-fed, organic, local, ideally.
Dr. Pompa:Yup. There you go. We gave sometests to run. We gave some immediate solutions.
We gave some, obviously, some ideas of causations. I hope that helps. I always say that. I hope
that helps. This is an important topic, andwho knows? It may be one of the most shared
topics that we’ve done for that reason. Meredith:You never know. Yeah. If you’re
watching, continue to send in those topics,and we’ll bring more shows like this to
you. If you like it, give us feedback. Letus know if you like little Q&As with Dr. Pompa
because this is questions that you guys have. We want to get this information to you, and
Cellular Healing TV is a wonderful vehiclethat we’re blessed to be able to do that.
Thank you, Dr. Pompa. Awesome show. Greatinformation, as always. So grateful for you
and for bringing this message to the world. Dr. Pompa:Yup. Love it. Can’t wait to do
another one. We’ll see you on the next show. Meredith:Awesome. Thanks, everybody. Have
a great weekend, and we’ll see you nexttime.
Dr. Pompa:Yup.


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